DRIVE Magazine - Toyota: Ανάκληση σε οκτώ μοντέλα

tsi	\| 77.49.71.xxx \| 2010-01-30 17:35:31

Στο ηλεκτρονικό γκάζι το κόλλημα πώς διορθώνεται;
με ctrl+alt+del;

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Drunkard - re:

| Registered | 2010-01-30 18:46:55

tsi έγραψε:

Στο ηλεκτρονικό γκάζι το κόλλημα πώς διορθώνεται;
με ctrl+alt+del;

χαχαχαχ καλο

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giorgosrallyman

| Registered | 2010-01-30 18:49:52

Και η Χόντα έκανε ανάκληση σε κάποιες χιλιάδες Τζαζ/Φιτ, γιατί σε κάποιο τέτοιο που έπιασε φωτιά (προφανώς σε κάποιο ατύχημα..) δεν άνοιγαν τα ηλεκτρικά παράθυρα, με αποτέλεσμα να χάσει τη ζωή του ένα παιδί. Θα γίνει έλεγχος στο μηχανισμό/ηλ.κύκλωμα των παραθύρων.. :huh:

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chris2 - re:

| 83.212.228.xxx | 2010-01-30 22:09:08

tsi έγραψε:

Στο ηλεκτρονικό γκάζι το κόλλημα πώς διορθώνεται;
με ctrl+alt+del;

το αυτοκινητο ειναι σαν το hardware-δεχεται τα χτυπηματα οταν το software παρουσιασει προβλημα :idea:

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funster

| 79.166.170.xxx | 2010-01-30 22:26:39

Στην παραγραφο που επεξηγει αναλυτικα την βλάβη " Το φαινόμενο αυτό προκαλείται κυρίως επειδή ......... να κολλάει σε μερικώς ανοιχτή θέση. " η εξηγηση από που προέρχεται?

Είναι κάποια επίσημη ανακοίνωση?
Και αν ναι από πού?

Γιατι σε άλλα siteς υποστηρίζουν οτι η βλάβη είναι άλλη, πιο απλή.

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mihalakis

| Registered | 2010-01-31 10:15:01

σε κάποια sites αναφέρεται οτι έχει να κάνει με τα πατάκια του αυτοκινήτου αλλά αποκλείεται κατι τέτοιο. Η ανάκληση στην Αμερική αναμένεται να φτάσει σχεδόν τα 5 εκατομμυρια αυτοκίνητα, ενώ έχουν ανασταλλεί οι πωλήσεις αρκετών μοντέλων της μέχρι να λυθεί το πρόβλημα. Κοιτάχτε πόσα μοντέλα αφορά στην Αμερική μόνο...

2009-2010 RAV4,
2009-2010 Matrix,
2005-2010 Avalon,
Certain 2007-2010 Camry,
2010 Highlander,
2007-2010 Tundra,
2008-2010 Highlander
2009-2010 Corolla
2009-2010 Venza
2009-2010 Pontiac Vibe
2008-2010 Sequoia

λέτε να πλήξει την φήμη της εταιρείας;;

Όσον αφορά τη Honda εκείνη ανακαλλεί 650.000 Jazz/fit γιατί υπάρχει η πιθανότητα να μπει νερό στον διακόπτη των ηλεκτρικών παραθύρων και να προκληθεί φωτιά από βραχυκυκλωμα (κάτι το οποίο έγινε και δυστυχώς έχασε τη ζωή του ένα παιδί)

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TURBO79

| 79.166.243.xxx | 2010-01-31 15:40:25

ΤΕΛΙΚΑ ΟΛΑ ΧΑΛΑΝΕ. 'Η ΜΗΠΩΣ ΜΟΝΟ ΟΙ ΙΑΠΩΝΕΣ ΚΑΝΟΥΝ ΣΥΧΝΑ ΑΝΑΚΛΗΣΕΙΣ :?:

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GERVEN

| Registered | 2010-02-01 10:18:08

ΠΑΝΤΑ ΧΑΛΑΓΑΝΕ.ΚΑΙ ΘΑ ΧΑΛΑΝΕ.ΕΙΔΙΚΑ ΑΝ ΔΕΝ ΣΥΝΤΗΡΟΥΝΤΕ ΣΩΣΤΑ.ΑΠΛΑ ΤΩΡΑ ΤΕΛΕΥΤΑΙΑ ΕΧΟΥΜΕ ΓΙΝΕΙ ΠΙΟ ΑΠΑΙΤΗΤΙΚΟΙ (ΙΣΩΣ ΚΑΙ ΠΑΡΑΞΕΝΟΙ,ΠΟΛΛΕΣ ΦΟΡΕΣ).

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tsi	\| 194.219.40.xxx \| 2010-02-01 12:11:27

Εδώ όμως δεν μιλάμε για βλάβη, αλλά για κατασκευαστική αστοχία.
Πιστεύω όμως ότι το ανακοινώνει, επειδή είναι η Toyota.
Πολύ φοβάμαι ότι οι ευρωπαϊκοί "όμιλοι", στην καλύτερη περίπτωση, απλά θα αντικαθιστούσαν σιωπηρά και δωρεάν το εξάρτημα, χωρίς να μαθευτεί.
Και στη συνέχεια, θα διοχέτευαν το στοκ των ελαττωματικών εξαρτημάτων στη φθηνή μάρκα του γκρουπ, "μέχρις εξαντλήσεως των αποθεμάτων".
Σας μιλάω εκ πείρας

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chris2 - re:

| 83.212.228.xxx | 2010-02-01 13:17:44

tsi έγραψε:

εξηγησε μας τι εννοεις εκ πειρας γιατι αν εννοεις διαφορετικη μεταχειριση μιας μαρκας μες στο vw group αστειο μου φαινεται και επιπλεον και οι ευρωπαικες εταιρειες ανακοινωνουν ανακλησεις απλα λιγοτερες (yme.gr)

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GERVEN

| Registered | 2010-02-01 14:50:44

ΕΔΩ ΜΙΛΑΜΕ ΓΙΑ ΠΟΛΛΑ ΕΚΑΤΟΜΥΡΙΑ ΑΥΤΟΚΙΝΗΤΩΝ ΟΠΟΤΕ ΑΝΑΓΚΑΣΤΗΚΑ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΓΙΝΕΙ ΑΝΑΚΛΗΣΗ.ΚΑΙ ΓΙΑ ΕΜΕΝΑ ΑΥΤΟ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΚΑΘΗΣΤΕΡΗΣΗ ΣΤΟ ΝΑ ΔΙΑΓΝΩΣΟΥΝ ΤΟ ΠΡΟΒΛΗΜΑ.ΑΝ ΤΟ ΠΡΟΒΛΗΜΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΣΕ ΠΟΛΥ ΜΙΚΡΟ ΑΡΙΘΜΟ ΑΥΤΟΚΙΝΗΤΩΝ ΔΕΝ ΓΙΝΕΤΑΙ ΑΝΑΚΛΗΣΗ ΑΛΛΑ "ΦΩΝΑΖΟΥΝ" ΑΥΤΑ ΤΑ ΟΠΟΙΑ ΕΧΟΥΝ ΠΡΟΒΛΗΜΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΕΛΟΣ.ΠΑΙΖΕΙ ΡΟΛΟ ΚΑΙ Η ΣΟΒΑΡΟΤΗΤΑ ΤΟΥ ΠΡΟΒΛΗΜΑΤΟΣ Ή ΤΟΥ ΕΝΔΕΧΟΜΕΝΟΥ ΠΡΟΒΛΗΜΑΤΟΣ.

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funster

| 91.138.149.xxx | 2010-02-01 15:35:56

Εκτιμώ πως ειναι σημαντικό, ο Συντάκτης του αρθρου, να απαντήσει στην άνωθεν απορία μου, την οποία επισυνάπτω και παρακάτω:

" Στην παραγραφο που επεξηγει αναλυτικα την βλάβη:
" Το φαινόμενο αυτό προκαλείται κυρίως επειδή ......... να κολλάει σε μερικώς ανοιχτή θέση. "
η εξηγηση αυτή από που προέρχεται?

Είναι κάποια επίσημη ανακοίνωση?
Και αν ναι από πού?

Γιατι σε άλλα siteς υποστηρίζουν οτι η βλάβη είναι άλλη, πιο απλή. "

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Toyota Mania

| Registered | 2010-02-01 15:49:03

Kορυφαια αντιμετοπιση, απο κορυφαιο κατασκευαστη.
Εχω Yaris του 98 με 20.000 χιλ δεν εχω το παραμικρο προβλημα με το γκαζι.Αμεση αποκριση και αισθηση για ηλεκτρογκαζο, μακραν καλυτερο του Γερμανικου ανταγωνισμο.
Ειμαι σιγουρος οτι δεν θα παρουσιασει κανενα προβλημα και ουτε εχω σκοπο να παω για ελενχο.

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tsi	\| 194.219.40.xxx \| 2010-02-01 15:53:42

Εκ πείρας = ελαττωματική αντλία υψηλής πίεσης στο τούρμπο, που κλατάρει και μπαίνει σε safe mode.
Τα Leon πήραν τις πρώτες παρτίδες, τα Audi τις μεταγενέστερες (με διαφορετικό τελευταίο γράμμα στον κωδικό). Στην αντικατάσταση (εντός εγγύησης) μου έβαλαν την παρτίδα της Audi, χωρίς διευκρίνιση φυσικά.
Παλαιότερα, στα πρώτα Toledo τουρμποντίζελ έβαζαν ελαττωματικές αντλίες που ήδη είχαν καταργήσει από τα αντίστοιχα vw (μαρτυρία ταξιτζή).
Αυτό είναι ένα ρίσκο που το πήρα εν γνώσει μου (καλύτερα έτσι, παρά 7000 καπέλο για το Α3).
Δεν παύει όμως, να είναι ενδεικτικό του τρόπου δράσης τους. Άλλο να βάζεις στη φτηνή μάρκα το λιγότερο εξελιγμένο, αλλά πάντως λειτουργικό εξάρτημα, και άλλο να της βάζεις το ελαττωματικό, για να μην πετάξεις το στοκ.
Φαντάζομαι κάτι τέτοιο θα έγινε και με τους "θρυλικούς" γρύλλους των παραθύρων του Golf IV.
Επίσης (έτσι για να τσιγκλίσουμε και τους "ατμοσφαιρικούς" του Forum), τα 5θυρα Civic εξ Αγγλίας τη δεκαετίας του '90 είχαν λιγότερο προσεγμένη ποιότητα από τα 4θυρα γιαπωνέζικα, που έφθανε ακόμα και στη χρήση στεγανοποιητικής τσιμούχας μόνο στα πλαίσια των θυρών, αντί και στις ίδιες τις πόρτες.
Είναι κάτι τέτοιες λεπτομέρειες, που φυσικά δεν θα σου τις πουν ποτέ.
Το θέμα είναι, πού σταματάει κάθε εταιρεία τις αβαρίες, αλλά αυτό κανείς τρίτος δεν το ξέρει εκ των προτέρων...

Πάντως, νομίζω ότι ως περήφανοι Έλληνες, χωρίς δική μας αυτοκινητοβιομηχανία, δεν θα πρέπει να θιγόμαστε όταν κάποιος διατυπώνει αρνητική κριτική για την εταιρεία "μας"...

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GERVEN

| Registered | 2010-02-01 16:01:58

ΣΕ ΑΥΤΟ ΠΟΥ ΛΕΣ ΜΗΠΩΣ ΦΤΑΙΕΙ Η ΣΥΓΚΕΚΡΙΜΕΝΗ ΑΝΤΙΠΡΟΣΩΠΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΟΧΙ ΤΟ ΕΡΓΟΣΤΑΣΙΟ?

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funster

| 79.166.167.xxx | 2010-02-01 16:03:18

@ToyotaMania: Αρχικα μαλλον μιλας για Yaris του 2008 κ οχι του 1998.. Για το Yaris του 08 λοιπον το μονο που εχω να πω ειναι οτι αυτο που νιωθεις με το ηλεκτρογκαζο του, μονο "ως αμεση αποκριση" ΔΕΝ χαρακτηριζεται. Δεν ξερω τι κανει απεναντι στον γερμανικο αντωνισμο. Εγω μιλάω γενικά.. κ γενικά αυτο δεν ειναι αμεση αποκριση.

@tsi: Εν συντομια, ογω ελλειψης χρόνου. Τα 2 παραδεισματα που αναφερες δεν αποδεικνυουν τα λεγομενα σου. Δεν λεω τοι δεν συμβαινει αυτο που ανεφερες πριν, αλλα με αυτα τα επιχειρηματα δεν το αποδεικνυεις. Στην 1η περιπτωση εχουμε μια πρώτη κ μία μεταγενεστερη αντλια. την 1η την πηραν αρχικά τα Seat και την 2η (και βελτιωμενη) την πήραν μετέπειτα τα Audi. Και οταν χρειαστηκε αλλαγη στο δικό σου, σου βάλαν την μεταγενεστερη κ βελτιωμενη. Καθαρα θεμα συγκυριων.
Οσο για το 2ο και την ομολογια του ταξιτζη... ουδεν σχολιο για την φερεγγυοτητα του.. Οχι λογω επαγγελματος φυσικά... αλλα γενικά ως πηγη πληροφορησης!

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Mika	\| Registered \| 2010-02-01 16:18:28

Gerven,to idio pragma skeftomoun ki egw...
Syn,to gegonos, ta antallakitika, exoun panw sto koutaki tous, h kai sta idia synh8ws oles tis markes gia tis opoies proorizontai,den shmainei swnei kai kala pws htan mono gia Audi ayth h partida..
Gia tous tarhfes, oute kan na ginetai syzhthsh..Otan pairnoun ta Skoda, Seat,Toyota,akoma kai Mercedes Blue efficiency kai den allazoun pote ta flitra, kanoun service opote 8ymh8oun h bazoun mazout gia petrelaio,epeidh to kalo einai akribo, den tous ftaiei oute h antlia kaysimou,oyte ellatwmattikes partides..Mono to kloubio to kefali tous.. :pinch:

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tsi	\| 194.219.40.xxx \| 2010-02-01 16:09:30

Η αντιπροσωπεία τοποθετεί τις αντλίες στα τούρμπο; Ή μήπως κυκλοφόρησε καμία ανάκληση από το εργοστάσιο κ δεν το κατάλαβα;

Το πνεύμα μου, τέλος πάντων - γιατί δεν έχω καμία διάθεση να συνεχίσω τον "αγώνα" υπέρ ή κατά VW, είναι ότι σήμερα κανένας δεν έχει "μπέσα" 100%, αλλά οπωσδήποτε εταιρείες σαν την Toyota (που ΔΕΝ χωνεύω) βάζουν τον πήχυ πιο ψηλά.
Ίσως παίζει ρόλο, το ότι στις ΗΠΑ αν συμβεί καμιά "σταβή" με το γκάζι και σκοτωθεί κανένας, η εταιρεία θα έχει "τελειώσει" για χρόνια, τόσο σε επίπεδο κύρους, όσο και οικονομικά (βλ αποζημιώσεις) - και την Toyota δεν την παίρνει να χάσει τις ΗΠΑ...
Πιστεύω όμως, ότι ο τελευταίος μπεσαλής 100% Γερμανός ήταν η NSU, που αντικαθιστούσε 2 και 3 φορές δωρεάν τους καμένους κινητήρες των Ro80. Μέχρι που πτώχευσε και απορροφήθηκε από την Audi, οπότε πήραν και όλοι οι υπόλοιποι το μήνυμα!

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tsi	\| 194.219.40.xxx \| 2010-02-01 16:22:22

funster έγραψε: "Και οταν χρειαστηκε αλλαγη στο δικό σου, σου βάλαν την μεταγενεστερη κ βελτιωμενη. Καθαρα θεμα συγκυριων."

Όταν ένα εξάρτημα είναι προβληματικό, το επόμενο δεν χαρακτηρίζεται ακριβώς ως "βελτίωση", γιατί με το αρχικό απλά δεν κάνεις τη δουλειά σου.
Επομένως, όταν βγει το "σωστό" εξάρτημα, σταματάς αμέσως την τοποθέτηση του παλιού και όχι όταν τελειώσει το στοκ.
Μέχρι τότε όμως, επειδή η συγκεκριμένη βλάβη προκύπτει όταν ΑΚΡΙΒΩΣ θέλεις αυξημένη πίεση από το τούρμπο (προσπέρασμα), καλού - κακού βγάζεις και μία ανακλησούλα...
Για τον ταξιτζή, θα είχα τις ίδιες επιφυλάξεις, αν τα προβλήματα με τους κινητήρες των Toledo 1 δεν ήταν πολλά και παρατηρούνταν και στα Jetta-Vento με τα ίδια μοτέρ, κάτι που δεν φάνηκε να συμβαίνει.

Όσο για το φίλο με το Yaris, νομίζω το πιο εντυπωσιακό είναι ότι μπορεί να φανατίζεται με αυτό, όπως υποδηλώνει το "παρατσούκλι" που χρησιμοποίησε.
Εγώ πάντως, γνώρισα προσωπικά τρεις (3) περιπτώσεις κατόχων Toyota, που τους έβγαλε πρόβλημα στο μεταβλητό χρονισμό - και δεν νομίζω να είμαι ο μόνος.
Απλά η Toyota (Hellas μόνο

αντικαθιστούσε τα χαλασμένα εξαρτήματα, ακόμα και μετά τη λήξη της 6ετούς εγγύησης, για να διαφυλάξει το κύρος της.
Αυτό εννοούσα περί του... πήχεως!

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tsi	\| 194.219.40.xxx \| 2010-02-01 16:24:09

Μόλις το ανακάλυψα: ερωτηματικό + παρένθεση = η γελοία φάτσα

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GERVEN

| Registered | 2010-02-01 16:40:46

ΕΙΝΑΙ ΓΝΩΣΤΗ Η ΠΟΛΥ ΚΑΛΗ ΑΝΤΙΜΕΤΩΠΙΣΗ ΤΗΣ TOYOTA ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ ΠΕΛΑΤΗ ΚΑΙ ΓΙΑ ΑΥΤΟ ΔΕΝ ΕΧΕΙ ΔΥΣΑΡΕΣΤΗΜΕΝΟΥΣ ΠΕΛΑΤΕΣ.ΜΑΚΑΡΙ ΟΛΕΣ ΟΙ ΑΝΤΙΠΡΟΣΩΠΙΕΣ ΝΑ ΕΙΧΑΝ ΤΟ ΙΔΙΟ AFTER SALES.TIΠΟΤΑ ΟΜΩΣ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΤΣΑΜΠΑ ΚΑΙ ΕΚΕΙ ΟΦΕΙΛΕΤΑΙ Η ΥΨΗΛΗ ΤΙΜΗ ΤΟΝ ΠΡΟΙΟΝΤΩΝ ΤΗΣ Η ΟΠΟΙΑ ΔΕΝ ΔΙΚΑΙΟΛΟΓΕΙΤΑΙ ΑΠΟ ΤΟ ΙΔΙΟ ΤΟ ΠΡΟΙΟΝ.ΑΠΟ ΤΗΝ ΑΛΛΗ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΠΙΣΗΣ ΓΝΩΣΤΟ ΤΟ ΟΤΙ ΤΕΛΕΥΤΑΙΑ ΥΠΑΡΧΟΥΝ ΚΑΠΟΙΑ ΘΕΜΑΤΑΚΙΑ ΣΤΗΝ ΑΞΙΟΠΙΣΤΙΑ ΤΩΝ ΤΟYOTA, ΠΟΥ ΔΥΣΤΥΧΟΣ ΕΧΟΥΝ ΝΑ ΚΑΝΟΥΝ ΚΑΙ ΜΕ ΤΟΝ ΤΟΠΟ ΚΑΤΑΣΚΕΥΗΣ ΤΟΥΣ.ΠΟΥ ΣΗΜΑΙΝΕΙ ΟΤΙ ΔΕΝ ΥΠΑΡΧΟΥΝ ΤΑ ΙΔΙΑ ΠΟΙΟΤΙΚΑ ΣΤΑΝΤΑΡ ΣΕ ΟΛΑ ΤΙΣ ΤΑ ΕΡΓΟΣΤΑΣΙΑ.ΚΑΤΙ ΤΟ ΟΠΟΙΟ ΔΕΝ ΣΥΜΒΑΙΝΕΙ ΣΕ ΑΛΛΕΣ ΕΤΑΙΡΙΕΣ(ΓΕΝΙΚΑ ΜΗΝ ΚΟΛΑΜΕ ΜΟΝΟ ΜΕ VW).

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Toyota Mania - re:

| Registered | 2010-02-01 22:24:55

funster έγραψε:

Μιλαω για την αποκριση του κινητηρα στο γκαζι και οχι την αποδοση του κινητηρα.Δηλαδη τις επιδοσεις του, το γκαζι του, το στροφαρισμα.
Το δικο μου εχει αρκετα καλη αποκριση, βεβαια υστεροντας σε σχεση με την εκδοση των 101ps παντου.και σε αισθηση και σε γκαζι.

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chris2 - re:

| 83.212.228.xxx | 2010-02-02 01:19:56

Mika έγραψε:

συμφωνω με mika kai gerven.-

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funster

| 79.166.167.xxx | 2010-02-02 02:01:44

@ToyotaMania: Και εγω ακριβως για το ιδιο λεω. Για την αποκριση στο γκαζι καθαρα. Για το ποσο αμεσα αντιδρα στο πατημα του γκαζιού. Για το ποσο γρηγορα ανοιγει η πεταλούδα.

Και ολα αυτα στο νεο Yariς 08 ειναι ποοοολυυ αργα.

Το Yaris εχει 1002 καλα κ οπου βρεθω το εξυμνω κ το προτεινω, ομως αυτο δεν ειναι ενα απο τα ατού του...

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Ανώνυμος

| 91.140.58.xxx | 2010-02-02 12:29:44

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ΜΗ ΣΑΣ ΠΙΑΝΟΥΝ ΚΟΡΟΙΔΟ .
Σας γλυκαίνουν το μαστίγιο δίνοντάς σας το μελωμένο καρόττο της διαφήμισης . Αγοράζετε. Και μετά λίγο χρόνο ανακαλύπτετε πως το ''όνειρο'' δεν αξίζει τίποτα.
Γιατί κύριοι του εμπορικού κυκλώματος ΙΧ το αυτοκίνητο που τυλίγετε με χρυσόχαρτο στη διαφήμισή σας (εξαπάτηση), που μοστράρετε στην Τουβούλα σαν μαγεία, με εκατοντάδες άλογα, με αστραφτερο ταμπλώ με ..με.. μετά ένα δύο χρόνια χρήσης αξίζει τα μισά ;
ΕΡΩΤΩ : Τα α κ ί ν η τ α (οικόπεδα, σπίτια, μαιζονέτες κττ) εξευτελίζονται μετά την αγορά τους -όπως το απατηλό ΙΧ, ή ΄όχι ;
Ναί η ΄όχι ;
Η απάντηση είναι ΟΧΙ. Το ακίνητο διατηρεί την αξία του.(Στην Κατοχή 1941-44,- έσωσε κόσμο και κοσμάκη..).
Αντίθετα, όλους μάς, που αγοράζουμε κ ι ν η τ ό - ό χ η μ α - ΙΧ, μας λογαριάζουν τα Ευρώ μας που αποκτήσαμε μετά πολλά χρόνια σκληρής δουλειάς, (ανήκω στους μισθωτούς κι έχω διπλή συνείδηση,) σαν .....μαρουλόφυλλα .

Ο ονειρικός κόσμος εμπορίας - Ασφάλισης αυτοκινήτου ΙΧ μας εκμεταλλεύεται ασύστολα.
Παραδείγματα ; Ιδίας πείρας.
Η Ασφαλιστική μου - μεταξύ πολλών που εκπροσωπεί γνωστό και φιλικό μου πρόσωπο ασφαλιστής, μάλιστα ! δηλ μ' ευνοικώτερους για μένα όρους-, μου εξετίμησε το πρώτο μου OPEL Astra 1,6 / Aγοράς 2006- ( =18.635 Ευρώ), θαμάστε και ...προσκυνήστε :

- τον μέν δεύτερο χρόνο ασφαλισης 2007 (μεικτής, ΄΄εναντι φυσικών καταστροφών -κρύσταλλα-κακόβουλη φθοράς, κλοπής κτλ .....''τα πάντα όλα'', ,- που λέν οι λαικίζοντες-, πληρωμένα), μου το απετίμησε σε 15.000 Ε,
- τον τρίτο χρόνο ασφάλισης-2008, σε 12.000 Ε
- τόν τέταρτο χρόνο -2009, σε 10.500 ολόκληρα Ευρώ ....
(Κι αυτό, όπως μου εξηγήθηκε, συμβαίνει ακόμα και στα ακριβότερα, πολυτελή , όπως στην ''Άλφα 156''-''159'' κττ)
΄Τί να πεί κανείς.

Γιαυτό σας λέω όπως παλιότερα :
Μή σας τρέχουν τα σάλια μπρός σε κάθε νέο μοντέλο που μοστράρουν οι καταφερτζήδες εμποροι.
Γιατί το ΙΧ δεν είναι μόνο ένα τεχνολογικό-μηχανικό-αισθητικό επίτευγμα όπως με σκληρή έργασία το διαμορφώνουν οι πανάξιοι μηχανικοί-σχεδιαστές-τεχνίτες των βιομηχανιών.

Το ΙΧ είναι και '' ε μ π ό ρ ε υ μ α '' .
Και σαν τέτοιο, μπαίνει στον κύκλο πραγμάτωσης της ''ανταλλακτικής αξιας'' του (Κάρλ Μάρξ, κύκλος του κεφαλαίου και του εμπορεύματος, - εντελώς άλλο είναι η '''αξία χρήσης'' κτλ κτλ. ) . Και τελικά, το 'αστραφτερό',πανίσχυρο και πανέμορφο μοντέλο,
με τα μεταλλικά του χρώματα,
τα μπάκετ και τ'....αρώματα,

όπως σας το καλλωπίζουνε οι διαφημιστές κι εμποράκηδες, μετά λίγα χρόνια δεν αξίζει σχεδόν τίποτα.

Ακόμα ένα παράδειγμα.
Πουλώντας μετά τέσσερα χρόνια το Astra, με καταχωρίσεις σε ''Χρυσή Ευκαιρία.'', AUTOTΡΙΤΗ, ''Αγορά Αυτοκ/του'' κττ,
μετά απαγοητεύσεις κι υπαναχωρήσεις των υποψήφιων αγοραστών, αναγκάστηκα να κατεβάσω την τιμή πώλησης από 10700 διαδοχικά σε 10000, 9500 και μετά σε 8800 Ευρώ !
.Γιά ένα αμάξι που, με την 100ρα βενζίνη του, το γυάλισμα, εσωτερικά σπραίυ καθισμάτων-πλαστικών κτλ και την άψογη συντηρησή του, έμοιαζε σαν μόλις να βγήκε απ' το εργοστάσιο. Που λυπήθηκα, που τ' αποχωρίστηκα ...

ΤΩΡΑ ΟΙ ΤΥΧΟΔΙΩΚΤΕΣ ΤΗΣ ΕΜΠΟΡΙΑΣ ΑΥΤΟΚΙΝΗΤΟΥ -που στο μεταξύ κέρδισαν πολλά Ευρώ- :
Λησμονώντας πως η '''άνοδος'' του 1999 του Ελληνικού Χρηματιστηρίου ήταν τ ε χ ν η τ ή ,

Ζητώντας απ' εμάς να ξεχάσουμε την ψευδαισθησιακή ''Χρυσής'' Σημιτικής περιόδου με τις μετοχές φούσκες και την ψεύτικη, στα έργα και στην τσιμεντοβιομηχανία αλλοτινών εποχών στηριγμένη απατηλή ανάπτυξη-''Εκσυγχρονισμό'' του απαξιωμένου πιά Σημίτη και των -αντιπαραγωγικών- Ολυμπιακών έργων-ακινήτων κττ ,

- όταν οι πωλήσεις αυτοκινήτων τότε ειδικά ( 1999 ) κι έκτοτε (1999-2009...) αυξήθηκαν τερατωδώς -για την μικρή κι αντιπαραγωγική Ελλάδα-

από 160,000 ταξινομήσεις / έτος
σε 260,000-280,000 (!) το έτος,περικαλώ,

και γέμιζε η Ελλαδίτσα με καταστήματα Αντιπροσωπειών - εμπόρων ΙΧ , που ξεφύτρωναν σαν τα μανιτάρια κι έκαναν επί δεκαετία γερή μπάζα ,
τώρα κλαίνε για το πώς θα συντηρηθούν 90.000 οικογένειες ( λχ Π. Λάσκαρις "4ΤΡΟΧΩΝ" κι άλλοι συντάκτες του αυτοκ/κού Ειδικού Τύπου).
Τώρα ήρθε ο σκληρός κι ακριβοδίκαιος χρόνος : ο χρόνος του απολογισμού και της πληρωμής.
Μετά την χρυσή δεκαετία του τυχοδιωκτισμού και της αντιπαραγωγικότητας ( και υπέρ της ...εμπορικότητας, των ελλήνων εμποράκηδων : αγοράζεις τον κόπο του άλλου -Γερμανών, Γάλλων κι Ισπανών Τεχνιτών και ΠΑΡΑΓΩΓΏΝ λχ, και τον πουλάς, στους ....Ιθαγενείς, αλλά με ....κέρδος) θα πρέπει να δικαιολογηθεί :
Τό πώς ένα έθνος με αύξηση πληθυσμού 0,47 τοις εκατό, κι όντας " παρασιτική απόφυση της Ευρώπης "(=Γ. Καραμπελιάς ), προβαίνει άξαφνα σ' αύξηση εισαγόμενων ΙΧ κατά ....-κρατηθείτε- 60 κι 70 επι τοις εκατόν (1999-....) .
Κι όχι ΄μόνον αυτό : μετά όπως απέδειξα, τ' απαξιώνει ραγδαία, πουλώντας μας φύκια για μεταξωτές κορδέλλες.
Ενάντια στην ε ξ α π ά τ η σ η του αγοροαστή του ΙΧ αυτοκινήτου.
Πάς αντίλογος δεκτός.

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[quote=Toyota Mania]Kορυφαια αντιμετοπιση, απο κορυφαιο κατασκευαστη.
Εχω Yaris του 98 με 20.000 χιλ δεν εχω το παραμικρο προβλημα με το γκαζι.Αμεση αποκριση και αισθηση για ηλεκτρογκαζο, μακραν καλυτερο του Γερμανικου ανταγωνισμο.
Ειμαι σιγουρος οτι δεν θα παρουσιασει κανενα προβλημα και ουτε εχω σκοπο να παω για ελενχο.

Ειναι οντως αξιοπιστα τα Toyota.Οταν ομως κανεις 1.180.000km που εχω εγω με Mercedes E,ελα να μου πεις τι προβληματα εβγαλε.Κακα τα ψεματα,ολα τα αυτοκινητα "σειρας"μεχρι τις 50.000-60.000km καλα ειναι.Απο κει και μετα κριμα στον κακομοιρη που θα το παρει.Παντα υσχειει το "οτι πληρωνεις παιρνεις.Εχω να δω πραγματικο τεστ διαρκειας σε περιοδεικο απο τοτε που το Auto Motor oud Sport εκανε τεστ 100.000km.Γιατι αραγε,δεν τους τα δεινουν πιο πολυ οι αντιπροσωπειες?Και μαλιστα γραφουν πολλακις,το ταδε μοντελο ηρθε στα χερια μας με 15.000 σκληρα δημοσιογραφικα χιλ.και παρολο ταυτα δεν εκανε το παραμικρο τσικ.Βαλτο να κανει 1.000.000 μαλακα ταξιτζιδικα χιλ.και μετα ελα να μου πεις ποιο ειναι ποιο αξιοπιστο.

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Tarifas έγραψε:

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